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Tea
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American government is tied into the bank, which is tied into religion. The system is like a virus. If the host dies, the virus dies. The solution: Mutate.
Question is, are Atheists a threat to America? It's not a joke, but if my theory is correct, religion will only MOLD around the majority of beliefs that are out there.
God doesn't exist?
Oh hay, the Dead Sea Scrolls say God doesn't exist!
Seems that every time we make a point, religion tends to morph around truth in order to appeal to those who are truth.
Religion is a virus.
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Hugga_Bear
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....erm ok.
Ill try to answer the question...
Atheism itself is not a threat to any government, it does not in any way infringe upon politics (like religion shouldnt). It could be a threat if it was enforced, if an atheistic person came to power and was....fundamentalist (for lack of a better word) than they could spark off a civil war, however this could be said of absolutely anything, atheism itself is fine.
Individually atheism can be potentially harming in the short run, a lot of people derive pleasure or security from religion, taking that away could upset them, however in the long run the truth is always better.
As for religions ability to morph, it is fairly impressive, not so much that it morphs, but that no one realises it is. When the churches preach one thing and the book clearly states another, that is when I begin to doubt the intelligence of a follower.
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DrWilliamCraig
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| Quote: | | Oh hey, The Dead Sea Scrolls say God does not exist |
Really? I would love to know where it say's this.
| Quote: | | When the churches preach one thing and the book clearly states another, that is when I begin to doubt the intelligence of a follower. |
The true Christian Faith does as the bible asks us to if there are others who do different or other religions than they are by definition hypocrites.
| Quote: | | Seems that every time we make a point, religion tends to morph around truth in order to appeal to those who are truth. |
That's just it, the point's you make are not sufficient enough to even be a point. You make theory's and in most cases straw argument's that go nowhere. The point's that you do bring up such as one Richard Dawkin's that I can see actually make sense are just refuted the next day because we have point's to make that counter this. That is what this is all about we make points you have your argument's against them and counter point's and vise versa. This will continue because no-matter the case of point or theory someone else has thought of a counter or new evidence comes into affect or Logic that debunks the new claim.
And until the day Christ returns this will be the case I feel. |
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Religion has been hiding from reality for centuries. It is indeed very adaptable, as most things people fervently believe and identify with are.
So long as there are gaps in our knowledge, people will be sticking gods in there. |
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DrWilliamCraig
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
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mongoni
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
correction
WE HAVE NO FAITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aridiris
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
Obviously not a doctor of English. |
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mongoni
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| Aridiris wrote: | | DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
Obviously not a doctor of English. |
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romans120
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Aridiris wrote: | | DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
Obviously not a doctor of English. |
its an internet forum...or are theists required to follow MLA when posting?
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mongoni
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| romans120 wrote: | | Aridiris wrote: | | DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
Obviously not a doctor of English. |
its an internet forum...or are theists required to follow MLA when posting? |
i see somebodys found a new friend 
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DrWilliamCraig
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Say what you wish but my explanation stand's. |
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| DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Say what you wish but my explanation stand's. |
It's "stands"---a possessive apostrophe is not required..
Making simple grammatical errors does not inspire confidence in the claim of a double Phd ,even if one is in theology,which is after all just a simpler name for presuppositional apologetics.
So far I think you're an impostor, probably a moderately bright but ignorant 16 yr old. |
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Aridiris
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| romans120 wrote: | | Aridiris wrote: | | DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
Obviously not a doctor of English. |
its an internet forum...or are theists required to follow MLA when posting? |
No, but they are required to pull the sticks outta their asses. It was a joke.
Besides, the internet has a basic principle: pics or it didn't happen. The internet allows you to say whatever you want and be whoever you want. Nobody has any way to verify it, so naturally people should be skeptical on the internet. Now I don't expect pictures per se, but if a guy comes on here claiming to be a doctor (and apparently having two doctorates) and he produces nonsense sentences
| Quote: | | what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. |
and displays an inability to properly inflect nouns and verbs
| Quote: | | You have your theory's |
| Quote: | | Say what you wish but my explanation stand's |
- something elementary school children learn - then he's gonna get called on it. I'm no grammar Nazi. I won't dismiss someone's argument based on their spelling, and I haven't in this case. But if you're gonna appeal to authority by calling yourself "Dr." around here, you better act the part. |
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jadenharrow
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First doctor I think me and you should talk,
| DrWilliamCraig wrote: |
The true Christian Faith does as the bible asks us to if there are others who do different or other religions than they are by definition hypocrites. |
I like how you state this, but sadly there are numerous and I mean hundreds of contradictions and anti social practices in the bible or are you still personally an advocate for slavery ? How do you decide unbiasedly which side of the contradiction to take, or which law or philosophy to obey?
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That's just it, the point's you make are not sufficient enough to even be a point. You make theory's and in most cases straw argument's that go nowhere. The point's that you do bring up such as one Richard Dawkin's that I can see actually make sense are just refuted the next day because we have point's to make that counter this. That is what this is all about we make points you have your argument's against them and counter point's and vise versa. This will continue because no-matter the case of point or theory someone else has thought of a counter or new evidence comes into affect or Logic that debunks the new claim.
And until the day Christ returns this will be the case I feel. |
I am glad you feel this way, do you think its in your life time, as the apostles thought and Jesus told them? See there are many theological arguments but sadly most of an atheists are backed by physical evidence and scientific reason.
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Because GOD makes sense. what's the difference between what we do and you nothing. You have your theory's and faith and we have are GOD. |
As an atheist I have facts and evidence and history and geology and meteorology, and biology that massively contradicts almost every part of the bible. You say you have god but really thats on faith, which is based upon 0 evidence, even your own bible says so
(correctly translated via Hebrew)
"Faith is the FOUNDATION of things hoped for, the conviction of things unseen" Hebrews 11:1
If you state otherwise (that you have facts and evidence) you no longer have faith even according to your own bible, do you dispute your own bible ? And if you do dispute some parts who decides what parts, and how do you decide them ? |
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ShaSha
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| chookrooter wrote: | | DrWilliamCraig wrote: | | Say what you wish but my explanation stand's. |
It's "stands"---a possessive apostrophe is not required..
Making simple grammatical errors does not inspire confidence in the claim of a double Phd ,even if one is in theology,which is after all just a simpler name for presuppositional apologetics.
So far I think you're an impostor, probably a moderately bright but ignorant 16 yr old. |
Not only is it not required but its' position in the sentence would never use an apostrophe.
I think you are probably right about the poster being an imposter. I read part of the Wiki on this person and this forum would be an unlikely place for him to even want to be. |
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